tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2719459558369549533.post3496850798334038844..comments2023-07-28T11:57:04.354+01:00Comments on Malc in the Burgh: Follow the leaderMalchttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18191161151984519900noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2719459558369549533.post-79242932598293095622008-07-31T17:55:00.000+01:002008-07-31T17:55:00.000+01:00Malc,I can see your point about the Tories and Lib...Malc,<BR/><BR/>I can see your point about the Tories and Libs getting around this problem - although both come from slightly different positions (the Tories are unlikely ever to have a big Scottish presence and the Libs aren't likely to form a UK government).<BR/><BR/>Overall though it is an understandable point and you can argue it sort of mirrors the situation we already have between local councils and parliamentary groups e.g. they don't have to agree and sort of exist seperately for the purposes of setting policy.<BR/><BR/>Part of the problem is that where there are politicians there will be a rush to meddle in <I>every</I> issue! Therefore even if the party's UK and Scottish leadership agreed a certain joint strategy it's likely there would MPs or MSPs ready to jump in and criticise this.<BR/><BR/>As for any impact being limited or symbolic I suppose the one thing I didn't really address before is how important this can be, even if it's only the media really care. Because obviously it's them that present an image of the party to the wider Scottish populace.<BR/><BR/>As for 'thinking big thoughts' - well what else is blogging for...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2719459558369549533.post-45768719791627003052008-07-31T17:34:00.000+01:002008-07-31T17:34:00.000+01:00Jeff - I made it "unniversity" as a nod ...Jeff - I made it "unniversity" as a nod to my Falkirk readers still a bit miffed that it was Stirling that got the uni and not them. Or I made a typing error believe what you will.<BR/><BR/>IoC - I agree with your first point and kinda alluded to that, pointing out the sole Tory MP probably doesn't carry much weight against 17 MSPs (if you count the PO).<BR/><BR/>With regard to your other comments, the Tories manage fine with those issues of Scottish v Westminster powers - mainly by staying out of UK issues or by agreeing on a strategy with the UK party. I don't think that is so hard - "Gordon, we think we should be doing this." It's good to talk...<BR/><BR/>Equally, I'm not sold on your "a Scottish Labour MP couldn't be Westminster leader" idea. Look at the Lib Dems - Charles Kennedy & Menzies Campbell both managed it. Granted both were dispensed with - but not because they were Scottish.<BR/><BR/>And I agree the extent to which it could achieve anything might be limited - but the symbolism of it would achieve much more. But then, what do I know? I should probably take a step back from frontline politics and think big thoughts...Malchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18191161151984519900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2719459558369549533.post-57476580699287070112008-07-31T16:50:00.000+01:002008-07-31T16:50:00.000+01:00Malc,I think in many ways Labour have a harder tim...Malc,<BR/><BR/>I think in many ways Labour have a harder time of this than any other party, simply because of the relative size of their Holyrood and Westminster groups<BR/><BR/>i.e. the SNP had 6 (now 7) MPs and 47 MSPs. Labour had 41 MPs (now 40) and 46 MSPs. It's only natural that there will be tension when you have two such big groups. I suspect it would be the same for all parties - including the SNP if Salmond had still been an MP at the time.<BR/><BR/>Linked to this - and this will sound stupid - is the question of where 'Scotland' is for political purposes. Yes health, education, etc are dealt with by Holyrood but welfare, defence, etc are dealt with at Westminster. <BR/><BR/>Does that mean these matters don't count in a Scottish sense? Of course not but the minute you raise this you get into the question of who would be the leader in Scotland, especially at a time the UK leader is Scottish.<BR/><BR/>If an independent Scottish party was created then who would be a member of it? MSPs? Councillors? MEPs? MPs? And if this was the case then could a Scottish Labour MP then lead the UK party?<BR/><BR/>It may be that for the purposes of presentation there's more Labour at Holyrood could do to distance themslves from Labour at Westminster but it would be largely a cosmetic change - there's ultimately nothing officially stopping the Scottish Parliament leader from saying what they want.<BR/><BR/>And ultimately this is probably only a big issue when Labour are in power at a UK-level. If the country had an unpopular Tory government I suspect this is where resources would be focused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2719459558369549533.post-88098097199999623882008-07-31T15:54:00.000+01:002008-07-31T15:54:00.000+01:00Good stuff Malc, and I am a constant sinner of the...Good stuff Malc, and I am a constant sinner of the 'Labour Leader' nonsense so thanks for clearing that up.<BR/><BR/>I am also enjoying the first election/vote in a long time where I have no strong desire for it be won one way or the other so, yes, bring it on as they say. Hopefully it'll be an interesting process.<BR/><BR/><BR/>PS I do love the irony in this line:<BR/><BR/>"during a meeting of some of the greatest minds ever to graduate from a fine Scottish unniversity"<BR/><BR/><BR/>university just has 1 'n' by the wayJeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01485196287282298695noreply@blogger.com